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Aborted fetal cells and vaccines – a scandal much bigger than Pfizer’s whistleblower ever imagined

As seen on Frontline News

October 18, 2021

Recently, Pfizer whistleblower Melissa Strickler, a manufacturing quality auditor for the company, exposed some of their internal emails. She was horrified by the information they contained and spoke with Project Veritas about what she had uncovered – the use of fetal cells from aborted babies to test their COVID-19 vaccine. This is some of what top management wrote:

“From the perspective of corporate affairs,” [Pfizer Senior Director of Worldwide Research Vanessa] Gelman wrote in one email, “we want to avoid having the information on fetal cells floating out there … The risk of communicating this right now outweighs any potential benefit we could see, particularly with general members of the public who may take this information and use it in ways we may not want out there.

In another email exchange between Advait Badkar, senior director of the Novel Delivery Technologies group within Pfizer’s Biotherapeutics Pharmaceutical Sciences organization, Gelman can be seen admitting to Badkar that, “One or more cell lines with an origin that can be traced back to human fetal tissue has been used in laboratory tests associated with the vaccine program.”

She warned him that, “We have been trying as much as possible to not mention the fetal cell lines.”

Project Veritas attempted to speak with Gelman. This was her response (If the video clip is removed from YouTube you can view it on Project Veritas’ Telegram Channel here.):

 

One must wonder what Gelman knew that caused her to “take flight”.

What Strickler wasn’t aware of is that the information about the fetal cells being used for the COVID-19 vaccine is well-known to scientists and researchers. Papers about the manufacturing techniques for COVID-19 vaccines, which included the use of fetal cells, were published online at least as far back as May 2020;[1] she also didn’t know that she had uncovered only a small portion of a large scandal.

The fetal cells referred to in Pfizer’s emails were HEK293T cells, obtained from the kidney cells of a female fetus in 1973.[2],[3] In reality, all the currently authorized COVID-19 vaccines are made using aborted fetal cells, including Moderna’s. Moderna also used HEK293T cells in their proof-of-concept tests to see if the genetic instructions contained in these vaccines would be effectively taken up and produce the required spike protein.[4]

Johnson and Johnson used both the PER.C6 cell line (derived from human embryonic retinal cells, originally from the retinal tissue of an 18-week-old fetus aborted in 1985)[5] and the HEK293T cell line, to produce and assay (respectively) their Janssen adenovirus vaccine.[6]

AstraZeneca used the HEK293T cells to develop theirs, as did two other companies that have had their vaccines approved, CanSino Biologics and Gamaleya Research Institute (Sputnik V vaccine).[7]

The use of aborted fetal cells in vaccine production has been going on for over 50 years, starting in the mid-to late 1970s.[8] Antigens for several childhood vaccines are grown in aborted fetal cell lines MRC-5 and WI-38. These cell lines are found in the vaccines and are included in CDC’s vaccine excipient list as well as Johns Hopkins Institute for Vaccine Safety website (top and bottom images respectively).[9]

 

Fetal DNA and proteins are also found in the Covid-19 vaccines, at least for the ones which were developed, not just tested, in fetal cells. Genetic engineer, Dr. Theresa Deisher, explains that it is impossible to totally separate the antigen from the medium it is grown in. Listen as she explains:

 

Deisher explains:

All of these things are in the final product including contaminants from the cell lines that are used to manufacture the vaccines, and you asked, you know, why the contaminants can’t be removed. So, the virus in the vaccine is just a long chain of RNA or DNA, but it’s such a long chain that it’s not economical to make it in a test tube and so the companies mimic nature’s way of growing viruses and they infect cells and the virus grows in the cells, and then they lyse the cell and they try to purify away the virus and leave behind the cells impurities and DNA fragments. But, for anyone who’s taken chemistry, your yield is inversely related to your purity and, so, if they purified out the contaminants from the cell lines, the yield would be so low that they wouldn’t make any money, or no one would pay a thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars for a vaccine and, so, because of that, contaminants from the cell lines, and in that case fetal cell lines, are in the final product. And, they are actually at very high levels …[10]

The WI-38 and MRC-5 cell lines are over 60 years old.  “The WI-38 cells were derived by Leonard Hayflick in 1962 from the lung of a 3-month female fetus [2]. The initials WI refer to the Wistar Institute, a body of the University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, and number 38 to the fetus from which the cells were obtained. The MRC-5 cells were obtained in 1966 from the lungs of a 14-week male fetus [3]. The initials MRC indicate Medical Research Council, a body from London.” The cells lines age and can only be replicated so many times, therefore, in 2015, China developed another fetal cell line, the WalVax-2 strain.[11],[12]

These are the approved US vaccines containing aborted fetal cells: [13]

·         Adenovirus · ·         Barr Labs., Inc ·         WI-38
·         Chickenpox ·         Varivax ·         Merck & Co. ·         MRC-5 & WI-38
·         Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, HIB ·         Pentacel ·         Sanofi Pasteur ·         MRC-5
·         Hepatitis A ·         Havrix ·         GlaxoSmithKline ·         MRC-5
·         Hepatitis A ·         Vaqta ·         Merck & Co. ·         MRC-5
·         Hepatitis A-B ·         Twinrix ·         GlaxoSmithKline ·         MRC-5
·         Measles, Mumps, Rubella ·         MMR II ·         Merck & Co. ·         WI-38
·         Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Chickenpox ·         ProQuad ·         Merck & Co. ·         MRC-5 & WI-38
·         Rabies ·         Imovax ·         Sanofi Pasteur ·         MRC-5
·         Shingles ·         Zostavax ·         Merck & Co. ·         MRC-5

Additional cell lines from surgically aborted fetuses, that are not used in vaccines, include “…  WI-1, WI-3, WI-11, WI-16, WI-18, WI-19, WI-23, WI-24, WI-25, WI-26, WI-27, WI-44, MRC-9, IMR-90, and R-17 (obtained from lung); WI-2, WI-12 and WI-20, (skin and muscle); WI-5 (muscle); WI-8 and WI-14, and WS1 (skin); WI-4, WI-9, WI-10, WI-13 and WI-15 (kidney); WI-6, WI-21 and WI-22 (heart); WI-7 (thymus and thyroids), WI-17 (liver); FHs74Int (small intestine) …”[14]

The use of aborted fetal cells raises tremendous ethical, moral, and health concerns.

Dr. Stanley Plotkin, a renowned vaccinologist, was deposed in January 2018, by attorney Aaron Siri, prior to testifying in a divorce case, where the parents disagreed about vaccination. Plotkin has a very long list of credentials including Emeritus Professor of the University of Pennsylvania, and Adjunct Professor of the Johns Hopkins University. He has received numerous honors and has lectures named for him. He developed the rubella vaccine, is codeveloper of the pentavalent rotavirus vaccine, and has worked extensively on the development and application of other vaccines including anthrax, oral polio, rabies, varicella, and cytomegalovirus. He is now a consultant to vaccine manufacturers, biotechnology companies and non-profit research organizations as principal of Vaxconsult, LLC.[15]

Listen to what Plotkin said about aborted fetal cells during the deposition (beginning at 2:40):[16]

Because living tissue is needed for the primary culture, these abortions are often done by the “water bag” method which delivers the fetuses (between 2-4 months gestation) alive. (Limbs, organs, and tissues from aborted fetuses are also a mainstay of modern medical research.) Included in vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, shingles, rotavirus, adenovirus and rabies are human DNA fragments …[17]

Not only are the babies delivered alive, horrifically, their organs are often removed when they are still alive.[18] This is how they got the HEK293 kidney cells used in the manufacture of the vaccines and why Pfizer wanted it to remain a secret:

The details of HEK293’s brutal – and from all appearances, until very recently, largely undisclosed – origins explain the company’s deep discomfort. Contrary to nearly a half-century of misrepresentation and obfuscation, HEK293’s creation did NOT arise from an “abortion” as everyday people understand it.

To harvest a viable embryonic kidney … sufficiently healthy children old enough to have adequately-developed kidneys must be removed from the womb, alive, typically by cesarean section, and have their kidneys cut out. This must take place without anesthesia for the child, which would lessen the viability of the organs.

… The deliberate killing of an unwanted child (a little girl, in the case of HEK 293) took place in the tortuous manner it did precisely to obtain her organs for research. The harvest of her organs was the direct cause of her death, prior to which, she was a living child, outside the womb.[19]

The vaccines were made by destroying lives in the most brutal way and the use of these vaccines seriously harm many who have received them, even though the damage may not be recognized as such.

… According to Plotkin, injecting intact DNA is theoretically problematic which is why they fragmented it. Intact human DNA was recently discovered in a vaccine by Corveleva, an independent lab that has been analyzing vaccine contents.

Clinical trials for vaccines look primarily for predefined local and transient adverse events so trial participants are only followed for days or months. Long term effects of vaccines are not part of the clinical trials. Section 13 of each vaccine package insert states that the vaccine has not been studied to determine if the vaccine can cause genetic mutations, cancer, or impaired fertility. They are not required to. However, scientists have long known that:

  • DNA fragmentation is a necessary first step to inserting foreign DNA into cells.
  • Through a process called insertional mutagenesis, foreign DNA can be incorporated into a host DNA and cause genetic mutations, cancer, and other health problems.
  • Homologous recombination, another type of mutation involving DNA fragments, can cause serious illness.
  • Retroviruses found in foreign human DNA can be dangerous when incorporated into the DNA of a human host.
  • The embryonic stem cells in which the vaccines are grown are naturally tumorigenic. The FDA has been studying live virus vaccines because of their potential to cause cancer.

Scientists investigating vaccines have been able to identify increases in autism in different countries that coincide with their introduction of live virus vaccines grown in human cell substrates. This is in addition to the previously known problems arising from injecting foreign human DNA into a human host. While the effect of injecting males with DNA from female fetuses and females with DNA from male fetuses has not been directly studies, a new study does show that autistic individuals are more likely to be transgender and research has investigated the effect of chromosomal abnormalities on areas of the brain related to sexual behavior. This is particularly important in light of the tremendous increase in transgenderism and gender dysphoria (confusion) being reported in many countries …[20]

Aborted fetal cells are also found in some drugs.[21]

We can be fairly confident that in the same way that aborted fetal cells are being used for developing many childhood vaccines and the COVID-19 vaccines, they are being used in the production of the upcoming Marburg Virus vaccine, which will be used for the upcoming Marburg Virus pandemic. In March 2019, a HHS press release announced the development of a vaccine for Marburg Virus, declaring it a biodefense and public health threat.[22],[23] Gavi, the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation, founded, in part, by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation,[24] suggested, in April 2021, that Marburg Virus may be the next pandemic.[25] Others are now beginning to “sound the alarm” alarm, as well.[26]

Marburg Virus, which comes from bats,[27] is a rare hemorrhagic disease found primarily in African countries. From its discovery in 1967 to the current date, there have been 474 cases and 373 fatalities. 355 of these fatalities occurred during the two major outbreaks of the virus, which occurred between 1998-2000 and 2004-2005. Between 2007 and 2021 there have been 29 cases and 16 deaths (18 cases and 9 deaths occurred in 2017).[28]

Just as Vitamin C has been used by some hospitals to treat COVID-19,[29],[30] even though health agencies had claimed that COVID-19 has no treatment,[31] Dr. Suzanne Humphries, in a lecture on Vitamin C, explained that Vitamin C can successfully treat Ebola and hemorrhagic diseases,[32]  even though it is claimed that there is no cure for Ebola or Marburg Virus.[33]

Project Veritas exposed Planned Parenthood’s trafficking in aborted baby parts[34],[35] (Bill Gates’ father was head of Planned Parenthood[36]), yet, aborted fetuses are a commodity, used for medical research,[37],[38],[39],[40] in cosmetics, and even by the food industry for taste-testing purposes when developing new food products.[41]

 

Footnotes:

[1] “The National Research Council Of Canada And Cansino Biologics Inc. Announce Collaboration To Advance Vaccine Against COVID-19 | Biospace”. Biospace, 2021, https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/the-national-research-council-of-canada-and-cansino-biologics-inc-announce-collaboration-to-advance-vaccine-against-covid-19/

[2] “HEK 293 Cells – Wikipedia”. En.Wikipedia.Org, 2021, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEK_293_cells

[3] Assistant Editor. “Exclusive: Pfizer’S Nervousness About Its COVID Vaccine’S Origins Conceals A Horror Story”. The Gateway Pundit, 2021, https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/exclusive-pfizers-nervousness-covid-vaccines-origins-conceals-horror-story/

[4] Tostanoski, Lisa H. et al. “Ad26 Vaccine Protects Against SARS-Cov-2 Severe Clinical Disease In Hamsters”. Nature Medicine, vol 26, no. 11, 2020, pp. 1694-1700. Springer Science And Business Media LLC, doi:10.1038/s41591-020-1070-6

[5] “PER.C6 Cell Lines – Creative Biolabs “. Gmp-Creativebiolabs.Com, 2021, https://www.gmp-creativebiolabs.com/per-c6-cell-lines_74.htm
“The PER.C6 cell line is derived from human embryonic retinal cells, originally from the retinal tissue of an 18-week-old fetus aborted in 1985 and further developed and prepared as cell line by transfection with defined E1 region of the adenovirus type 5 followed by selection for transfectants with an immortal phenotype. At the beginning, this cell line was mainly applied for the production of human adenovirus vectors for use in vaccine development and gene therapy, and further optimization makes PER.C6 become a superexcellent host cell line for large-scale industrial production of therapeutic proteins, especially the human IgG.”

[6] Ibid.

[7] Ibid.

[8] Deisher, Theresa A., PhD. “Testimony submitted by Dr. Theresa A. Deisher”. Bioethicsarchive.Georgetown.Edu, 2021, https://bioethicsarchive.georgetown.edu/pcbe/transcripts/sept08/deisher_statement.pdf

[9] CDC Pinkbook Excipient List. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf;
“Institute For Vaccine Safety || Components: Excipients”. Vaccinesafety.Edu, 2021, https://www.vaccinesafety.edu/components-Excipients.htm

[10] “Fetal cells, DNA & proteins in vaccines – Theresa Deisher, PhD”. Youtube.Com, 2021, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RNb4cXIPrU;
“Dr. Theresa Deisher On Aborted Human Fetal DNA In Vaccines”. Brighteon.Com, 2021, https://www.brighteon.com/6003166466001

[11] Bioethics Observatory. “Vaccines Produced Using Aborted Fetuses Are Being Used”. Bioethics Obervatory – Institute Of Life Sciences – UCV, 2020, https://bioethicsobservatory.org/2020/06/is-it-true-that-there-are-vaccines-produced-using-aborted-foetuses/17848/

[12] Wadman, Meredith. “Henrietta Lacks Wasn’T The Only Woman Who Unknowingly Contributed To Medical History”. Slate Magazine, 2017, https://slate.com/technology/2017/03/the-woman-whose-aborted-fetus-helped-create-the-rubella-vaccine.html;
“The Ethics of The Walvax-2 Cell Strain”. Ethicalresearch.Net, 2021, http://ethicalresearch.net/positions/the-ethics-of-the-walvax-2-cell-strain/.

[13] “Vaccines, Abortion & Fetal Tissue”. Ohio Right To Life, 2021, https://www.ohiolife.org/vaccines_abortion_fetal_tissue. There are US approved alternatives to some of these vaccines which are listed here, as well.

[14] See note 8

[15] Plotkin Short CV – VaxConsult.  http://www.vaxconsult.com/app/download/1194394/SHORT%2BCV.pdf

[16] “Dr. Stanley Plotkin, Godfather Of Vaccines, Under Oath Admits The True Horrific Vaccine Ingredients”. Bitchute, 2021, https://www.bitchute.com/video/WFwwoFYbLFd3/

[17] “Human DNA In Vaccines – Origins and Safety”. Rodef Shalom 613, 2020, https://www.rodefshalom613.org/2020/08/human-dna-in-vaccines-origins-and-safety/

[18] Fetal tissue and body parts from aborted babies are used for many types of research, not just vaccines. Below is an excerpt from Fetal Body Parts Used for Research: Is it ethical to experiment on aborted humans? (https://investigatemagazine.co.nz/2451/fetal-body-parts-used-for-reseach/) by investigative journalist Ian Wishart, about how fetal parts are acquired from abortions and evidence that some fetuses are dissected when still alive. The scientists using these body parts believe that it is for the greater good. Yet, the author posits: “It is a modern, relativistic idea that you can sacrifice the few for the good of the many. Indeed, this was one of the justifications Hitler used in whipping up hatred against Jewish, Gypsy and gay minorities. In 21st century form, the argument is more subtle: that if a cure for crippling diseases can be found by harvesting fetal organs from abortions, or growing human embryos in the laboratory for stem cell harvesting, then the deaths of those infants are justifiable because of the perceived greater good to the community at large. … “At the Nuremberg War Crimes trials, evidence was presented of horrific scientific experiments being performed on captives in the concentration camps. The Nazi medics on trial attempted to justify it by saying the test subjects were due to die anyway and the knowledge gained would benefit the rest of humanity. [Scientists working with fetal cells from aborted babies claim that the babies were going to be aborted anyway because of maternal choice. RS 613] “Human DNA in Vaccines – Origins and Safety”. Rodefshalom613.Org, 2021, https://www.rodefshalom613.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Human-DNA-in-Vaccines-Origins-and-safety-6-15-20.pdf

[19] See note 3.

[20] Ibid.

[21] “U.S. Aborted Fetal Products. Cogforlife.Org, 2021, https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/fetalproductsall.pdf

[22] “HHS’ BARDA funds its first Marburg virus vaccine development”, Phe.Gov, 2021, https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/news/Pages/marburg-vaccine-05Mar19.aspx

[23] The NIH had been working on a Marburg Virus vaccine as far back as 2010. “NIH-Supported Experimental Marburg Vaccine Prevents Disease Two Days After Infection”. National Institutes Of Health (NIH), 2015, https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-supported-experimental-marburg-vaccine-prevents-disease-two-days-after-infection

[24] “About Our Alliance”. Gavi.Org, 2021, https://www.gavi.org/our-alliance/about

[25] Priya, Joi. “The Next Pandemic: Marburg?”. Gavi.Org, 2021, https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/next-pandemic/marburg

[26] Citroner, George. “Could The Marburg Virus Start Another Outbreak? What We Know”. Healthline, 2021, https://www.healthline.com/health-news/could-the-marburg-virus-start-another-outbreak-what-we-know

[27] Guito, Jonathan C. et al. “Asymptomatic Infection of Marburg Virus Reservoir Bats Is Explained By A Strategy Of Immunoprotective Disease Tolerance”. Current Biology, vol 31, no. 2, 2021, pp. 257-270.e5. Elsevier BV, doi:10.1016/j.cub.2020.10.015

[28] “Marburg Virus – Wikipedia”. En.Wikipedia.Org, 2021, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marburg_virus#cite_note-9

[29] Mccall, Rosie. “New York Hospitals Are Using Vitamin C To Treat Some Coronavirus Patients”. Newsweek, 2020, https://www.newsweek.com/new-york-hospitals-vitamin-c-coronavirus-patients-1494407

[30] Hoang, Ba X. et al. “Possible Application of High-Dose Vitamin C In the Prevention and Therapy Of Coronavirus Infection”. Journal Of Global Antimicrobial Resistance, vol 23, 2020, pp. 256-262. Elsevier BV, doi:10.1016/j.jgar.2020.09.025

[31] “Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines Explained”. U.S. Food And Drug Administration, 2020, https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

[32] Humphries, Suzanne. “Lecture on Vitamin C.” Youtube.Com, 2021, https://youtu.be/y0LLX0sgwAU?t=3724

[33] Lett, D. “Wanted: Manufacturer for Ebola and Marburg Vaccines”. Canadian Medical Association Journal, vol 173, no. 5, 2005, pp. 472-472. CMA Joule Inc., doi:10.1503/cmaj.050938

[34] “Guilty Verdict Against David Daleiden as Abortion Industry Flexes Its Muscle”. Projectveritas.Com, 2019, https://www.projectveritas.com/news/guilty-verdict-against-david-daleiden-as-abortion-industry-flexes-its-muscle

[35] The Center for Medical Process, “Intact Fetuses “Just a Matter of Line Items” for Planned Parenthood TX Mega-Center”, Youtube.Com, 2021, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egGUEvY7CEg&t=0s

[36] “Bill Gates My Father Headed Planned Parenthood”, Youtube.Com, 2021, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2OkIua8iEU

[37] See note 17..

[38] Kent J. The fetal tissue economy: from the abortion clinic to the stem cell laboratory. Soc Sci Med. 2008 Dec;67(11):1747-56. doi: 10.1016/j.socscimed.2008.09.027. Epub 2008 Oct 22

[39] Pfeffer N. “How work reconfigures an ‘unwanted’ pregnancy into ‘the right tool for the job’ in stem cell research.”  Sociol Health Illn. 2009 Jan;31(1):98-111. doi: 10.1111/j.1467-9566.2008.01117.x. Epub 2008 Dec 16.

[40] Ma B, He LF, Zhang YL, Chen M, Wang LL, Yang HW, Yan T, Sun MX, Zheng CY. Characteristics and viral propagation properties of a new human diploid cell line, Walvax-2, and its suitability as a candidate cell substrate for vaccine production. Hum Vaccin Immunother. 2015;11(4):998-1009. doi: 10.1080/21645515.2015.1009811.

[41] See note 15.

 

 

How MedShadow fakes it to discredit Dr Simone Gold – Part 2: Vaccinations

As seen on Frontline News

October 5, 2021

There has been a growing trend of attacking, vilifying, and censoring any doctor who doesn’t conform to the establishment medicine perspective on COVID-19. Many highly qualified physicians, virologists, vaccinologists, epidemiologists, and others have been maligned in this way.

One doctor under attack is Simone Gold, the medical doctor and lawyer who founded America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS).

Suzanne B. Robotti, the founder and president of the website MedShadow, took it upon herself to attack Gold (and America’s Frontline Doctors) by making spurious and misleading claims about her activities and statements.[1] MedShadow’s attempt to discredit her and her organization harms their readership more than they do Dr. Gold and AFLDS.

At the beginning of her article, Robotti explained that a friend asked her for her thoughts on a YouTube video featuring Dr. Gold. As YouTube had already taken the video down (as they do with any counter-narrative information they wish to censor) she found it elsewhere, yet shared with her readers neither the original title of the video, The Truth About the Covid-19 Vaccine, nor the actual link which she found (her attempt at explaining to readers that they can now find it as Video 1, the fourth video down from the top (the top of where?) or to keep looking, is pure obfuscation). It might be that she didn’t want anyone to learn how she not only misconstrued facts but also was dishonest about some of what Dr. Gold had said. For instance, Gold referred to a retracted Lancet study about hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as a therapy for Covid-19 patients, to give an example of the lies that were being promulgated about HCQ and the dishonesty of the media; the study had been widely promoted as proving that HCQ is not effective and even dangerous, for Covid-19 patients, yet the retraction was hardly mentioned by the media. Robotti, however, stated that Gold’s intent was to show that HCQ is safe.

To help the public understand the deceitful tactics used by MedShadow (and others) to obfuscate and hide the truth from their audience, AFLDS analyzes and responds to her allegations. This is Part 2 of AFLDS’s response to MedShadow’s 12 false claims about Dr. Simone GoldYou can read AFLDS’s response to her first 2 claims in Part 1, here.

Claim 3. Why don’t we have vaccinations for other coronaviruses?

Medshadow:

“Gold says that researchers “failed” in creating vaccines for previous coronaviruses like SARS and MERS. “They can’t do it safely,” she says, and adds that AIDS doesn’t have a vaccine either (Minute 25:01). That’s largely false.”

AFLDS:

Gold never mentioned AIDS; the author of the paper Robotti references (discussed below) to prove why coronavirus “vaccination research was abandoned” discussed AIDS. The issue of safety and difficulty in creating a vaccine for SARS and MERS will be addressed in a future part of this series, when we respond to Robotti’s claims regarding Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE).

MedShadow:

“In every case, except AIDS, vaccines were deemed unnecessary because the disease can be controlled.

For both SARS (COV-1) and MERS (MERS-CoV), it’s possible to isolate patients and prevent larger outbreaks because they are not contagious until symptoms appear. Vaccination research was abandoned on these two diseases because vaccines are not needed and no one would pay for the development.”

AFLDS:

Was vaccine development really abandoned because the diseases could be controlled?

The SARS epidemic was of short duration, with an atypical penumonia discovered in China in November 2002, and ending in  July 2003. The MERS epidemic started in 2012 and in 2021 there are still cases being reported.[2]

Whether or not individuals are contagious before symptoms appear may not be as important in controlling an epidemic as is assumed, since

[i]t is not always possible to identify patients with MERS-CoV infection early because like other respiratory infections, the early symptoms of MERS-CoV infection are non-specific.

It’s not unreasonable to expect that the same held true during the SARS epidemic.

Clicking on the link which Robotti uses as a reference for why “vaccination research was abandoned” brings us to a May 2020, commentary piece by Natalie E. Dean, PhD, entitled “COVID-19 Data Dives: Why Don’t We Have a Vaccine for SARS or MERS?”[3] Dean’s review of the SARS epidemic concludes that “after being contained in 2003, there have been no SARS outbreaks since”. So, a reason why we don’t need a vaccine for SARS has to do not so much with an ability to control the disease, but with the fact that SARS basically disappeared.

In Dean’s review of MERS, she refers to potential strategies that have been discussed for a MERS vaccine, linking to a 2018 document entitled “WHO consultation on MERS-CoV therapeutics and vaccine evaluation”.[4] The document reviews several difficulties in producing a vaccine for MERS (one of which was mentioned as being faced with the SARS vaccine development), but especially the difficulty in finding a target population of sufficient size and an outbreak of sufficient duration. Control efforts, the report says, has reduced human to human transmission (the initial source of infection is dromedaries)[5]  but didn’t preclude their perceived need for a vaccine.

MedShadow:

“Unfortunately, COVID-19 patients are contagious long before becoming symptomatic. Even more difficult, some people get infected with COVID-19 and have such mild symptoms (or even no symptoms) and spread COVID-19 without knowing it. Therefore, isolating the sick is too little, too late.”

AFLDS:

The table below compares SARS, MERS, Covid, the Flu, Measles, and Strep.

 

  SARS[6] MERS[7] Covid-19[8] Flu Measles[9] Strep[10]
Incubation 2-7 days; can be as long as 14 2-14 days 2-14 days 1-4 days 7 to 14 days  
Become symptomatic   Usually, 5 days Usually, 5-6 days Usually, 2nd day Usually, 10-12 days  
Become Contagious With symptoms (as far as has been reported) Not known 24 – 48 hours before symptoms 1 day before symptoms Healthy children – from 3-5 days before rash appears. 2-5 days before symptoms appear
Asymptomatic transmission Little information/one case[11],[12] Insufficient evidence[13] No evidence.[14],[15],[16] Scant, if any evidence[17] No documentation.[18] Yes[19]

 As we can see, although COVID-19 patients are contagious before symptoms start, in relation to other illnesses they are not contagious “long before” becoming symptomatic. Furthermore, except for strep, there is little, if any, evidence of asymptomatic spread for these illnesses, including COVID-19.

SARS, with a reproduction rate of .58, and MERS, with a reproduction rate  of .69, are less contagious than COVID-19, which has a reproduction rate of 3.1.[20] That means that for every person who is contagious with SARS or MERS, two people in a susceptible population will need to be exposed for one to become infected; with COVID-19, one person can easily infect 3 people.[21] However, SARS and MERS mortality rates are 9.5% and 34.4% respectively,[22] while the untreated survival rate for COVID-19, as of September 2020, is over 99% percent for healthy individuals up to age 70 and almost 95% for those over 70.[23]

Contact tracing and PCR testing were instituted early on for Covid-19. These measures resulted in thousands upon thousands of people put into quarantine/isolation who never got sick, entire societies locked down, and face mask wearing required in many locations, yet despite these preventive measures, it seems that we have not been able to contain the virus.[24],[25] Vaccines have not helped either. Israel, which has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, now (in September 2021) has the highest per capita rate of Covid-19 cases.[26] Neither containment measures nor vaccination seem to be effective at mitigating Covid-19.[27]

Thousands of people could have been saved from needless quarantine and the size of the pandemic reduced, however, if the PCR test, used to detect Covid-19 “cases”, was used more judiciously or not at all. A 2007 NY Times article, “Faith in Quick Tests Leads to Epidemic That Wasn’t”, showed that PCR tests are not reliable for determining the cause of an illness and are responsible for false epidemics.[28] Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR, stated that the PCR tests was not developed as a diagnostic tool and if you cycle high enough you can find anything in anybody.

A May 2020, study found that PCR cycles above 24 were not reflective of infectious disease.[29] According to the investigators:

RT-PCR detects RNA, not infectious virus, thus its ability to determine duration of infectivity of patients is limited. Infectivity is a critical determinant in informing public health guidelines/interventions.

Therefore, they cultured 90 positive samples on Vero (monkey) cells and found that only 26 samples demonstrated viral growth, indicative of infectious virus. They found no growth in samples that were done with more than 24 cycles or after 8 days from onset of symptoms. This means that any PCR tests which use more than 24 cycles or are done after 8 days from onset of symptoms are most likely false positives.

Despite this and similar findings,[30] tests in the US and other countries regularly use cycles of 35 or more,[31],[32] except for fully vaccinated people suspected of being “breakthrough” cases; for them the CDC recently reduced the number of cycles to <28.[33]

We also know that patients who are in better health, with more effective immune systems, are less sick.

In the case of the original SARS or influenza, whether a person develops mild symptoms or pneumonia depends not only on how much virus is in their lungs, but also on their immune response and their overall health.[34]

Covid-19 patients are similar. CDC records show that 94% of all people who died with/from Covid had 2-3 comorbidities on average, and were mostly elderly; only 6% of people who died from Covid had no other health issues.[35]

It is apparent that there are many variables involved in recognizing and controlling disease outbreaks; the timing of infectivity is only one of many factors to be considered when discerning the actual need for a vaccine.

Please note that there is a lot of data regarding SARS, MERS, and Covid-19 from different sources. Some of them may present information that is different from what we have due to a variety of factors, including their data sources, the amount of accurate data available at any specific point in time (as epidemics progress more data become available and clearer, as do more gaps in knowledge), and the fact that different populations may present differently. 

 

Footnotes:

[1] Robotti, Suzanne. “12 Times Simone Gold And The Frontline Doctors Misled You About The COVID-19 Vaccine”. Medshadow, 2021, https://medshadow.org/frontline-doctors

[2] “CDC SARS Response Timeline | About | CDC”. Cdc.Gov, 2021, https://www.cdc.gov/about/history/sars/timeline.htm; “Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus (MERS-Cov)”. Who.Int, 2021, https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2021-DON317.

[3] “Why Don’t We Have A Vaccine For SARS Or MERS?”. Medscape, 2021, https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/931226

[4] “WHO consultation on MERS-CoV therapeutics and vaccine evaluation “. Who.Int, 2021, https://www.who.int/blueprint/what/norms-standards/meeting-report-30-november-2018.pdf?ua=1

[5] Ibid. pp 8-9

[6] “SARS | Frequently Asked Questions | CDC”. Cdc.Gov, 2021, https://www.cdc.gov/sars/about/faq.html.

[7] Gonzalez Gomf, Sandra, MD, FACP, et al. “Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Infection (MERS-CoV Infection)”. Medicinenet.Com, 2021, https://www.medicinenet.com/mers_middle_east_respiratory_syndrome/article.htm#what_is_the_contagious_period_for_a_mers-cov_infection

[8] Schive, Kim. “I’ve Been Exposed To COVID-19; How Soon Will I Be Contagious? | MIT Medical”. Medical.Mit.Edu, 2021, https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/10/exposed-to-covid-19-how-soon-contagious.

[9] “Measles Is Easily Transmitted”. Centers For Disease Control And Prevention, 2020, https://www.cdc.gov/measles/transmission.html

[10] “Strep Throat Contagious Period”. New Health Advisor, 2020, https://www.newhealthadvisor.org/Strep-Throat-Contagious-Period.html

[11] “Consensus document on the epidemiology of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)”. Who.Int, 2021, https://www.who.int/csr/sars/WHOconsensus.pdf?ua=1

[12] Che, Xiao‐yan et al. “A Patient With Asymptomatic Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) And Antigenemia From The 2003–2004 Community Outbreak Of SARS In Guangzhou, China”. Clinical Infectious Diseases, vol 43, no. 1, 2006, pp. e1-e5. Oxford University Press (OUP), https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/43/1/e1/310697

[13] Killerby, Marie E. et al. “Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus Transmission”. Emerging Infectious Diseases, vol 26, no. 2, 2020, pp. 191-198. Centers For Disease Control And Prevention (CDC), https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/2/19-0697_article

[14] “The Myth Of The ‘Asymptomatic Spreader’ Dealt Another Blow This Week”. Rights And Freedoms, 2021, https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/2021/06/01/the-myth-of-the-asymptomatic-spreader-dealt-another-blow-this-week/.

[15] TheConservativeTreehouse.com.”Study Of Ten Million Finds No Evidence Of Asymptomatic COVID Spread | Principia Scientific Intl.”. Principia Scientific Intl. | A Science-Based Community, 2020, https://principia-scientific.com/study-of-ten-million-finds-no-evidence-of-asymptomatic-covid-spread/

[16] Boorman, Georgi, and Georgi Boorman. “CDC Report Buries Shocking Data About Asymptomatic Spread”. The Federalist, 2021, https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/24/in-report-affirming-nearly-no-transmission-in-schools-cdc-slips-in-shocking-data-about-asymptomatic-spread/

[17] Patrozou, Eleni, and Leonard A. Mermel. “Does Influenza Transmission Occur From Asymptomatic Infection Or Prior To Symptom Onset?”. Public Health Reports, vol 124, no. 2, 2009, pp. 193-196. SAGE Publications, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2646474/

[18] “Pinkbook: Measles | CDC”. Cdc.Gov, 2021, https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/meas.html.

[19] Barth, Dylan D. et al. “Modes Of Transmission And Attack Rates Of Group A Streptococcal Infection: A Protocol For A Systematic Review And Meta-Analysis”. Systematic Reviews, vol 10, no. 1, 2021. Springer Science And Business Media LLC, doi:10.1186/s13643-021-01641-5

[20] Abdelrahman, Zeinab et al. “Comparative Review Of SARS-Cov-2, SARS-Cov, MERS-Cov, And Influenza A Respiratory Viruses”. Frontiers In Immunology, vol 11, 2020. Frontiers Media SA, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7516028/.

[21] Delamater, Paul L. et al. “Complexity Of The Basic Reproduction Number (R0)”. Emerging Infectious Diseases, vol 25, no. 1, 2019, pp. 1-4. Centers For Disease Control And Prevention (CDC), https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/25/1/17-1901_article.

[22] Petrosillo, N. et al. “COVID-19, SARS And MERS: Are They Closely Related?”. Clinical Microbiology And Infection, vol 26, no. 6, 2020, pp. 729-734. Elsevier BV, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7176926/

[23] Mora, Edwin. “CDC Data Shows Coronavirus Survival Rate: 99%-Plus For Ages 69 And Younger, 94.6% For Older”. Breitbart, 2020, https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/25/cdc-data-shows-high-virus-survival-rate-99-plus-for-ages-69-and-younger-94-6-for-older/

[24] “Lockdowns Do Not Control The Coronavirus: The Evidence”. AIER, 2020, https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/

[25] The Science is Conclusive: Masks and Respirators do NOT Prevent Transmission of Viruses — Science & Technology — Sott.net. https://www.sott.net/article/434796-The-Science-is-Conclusive-Masks-and-Respirators-do-NOT-Prevent-Transmission-of-Viruses

[26] Boyd, Connor. “Israel Is Now The World’s Covid Hotspot: Cases Soar Despite Country’s Trail-Blazing Vaccine Roll-Out – Sparking Fears Other Highly-Vaccinated Countries Will Be Hit By Another Wave Due To Jabs’ Waning Immunity”. Rights And Freedoms, 2021, https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/2021/09/03/israel-is-now-the-worlds-covid-hotspot-cases-soar-despite-countrys-trail-blazing-vaccine-roll-out-sparking-fears-other-highly-vaccinated-countries-will-be-hit-by-another-wave-due-to-jabs-wani/. 

[27] As discussed in Part 1, there are several therapies for Covid-19 which can be used both as a prophylaxis and as a remedy for Covid-19 and which the FDA, CDC, WHO, Israel Ministry of Health, and other health organizations will not promote or allow to be prescribed for Covid-19. These could significantly lower the incidents and mortality rates of Covid-19. India has virtually eliminated Covid-19 using Ivermectin. See “Uttar Pradesh government says early use of Ivermectin helped to keep positivity, deaths low”. The Indian Express. Published May 12, 2021. https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-government-says-ivermectin-helped-to-keep-deaths-low-7311786/.

Studies also show that individuals who become seriously ill with Covid-19 have low levels of Vitamin D and of the antioxidant Glutathione (see here – Jain, Anshul et al. “Analysis Of Vitamin D Level Among Asymptomatic And Critically Ill COVID-19 Patients And Its Correlation With Inflammatory Markers”. Scientific Reports, vol 10, no. 1, 2020. Springer Science And Business Media LLC, doi:10.1038/s41598-020-77093-z and here – Polonikov, Alexey. “Endogenous Deficiency Of Glutathione As The Most Likely Cause Of Serious Manifestations And Death In COVID-19 Patients”. ACS Infectious Diseases, vol 6, no. 7, 2020, pp. 1558-1562. American Chemical Society (ACS), doi:10.1021/acsinfecdis.0c00288.).

[28] Kolata, Gina. “Faith In Quick Test Leads To Epidemic That Wasn’t (Published 2007)”. Nytimes.Com, 2007, https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html; “COVID-19: Do We Have A Coronavirus Pandemic, Or A PCR Test Pandemic?”. ChiriCaspi, 2020, https://chiricaspi.wordpress.com/2020/10/07/covid-19-do-we-have-a-coronavirus-pandemic-or-a-pcr-test-pandemic/

[29] Bullard, Jared et al. “Predicting Infectious Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 From Diagnostic Samples”. Clinical Infectious Diseases, vol 71, no. 10, 2020, pp. 2663-2666. Oxford University Press (OUP), https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7314198/

[30] Jaafar, Rita et al. “Correlation Between 3790 Quantitative Polymerase Chain Reaction–Positives Samples And Positive Cell Cultures, Including 1941 Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Isolates”. Clinical Infectious Diseases, vol 72, no. 11, 2020, pp. e921-e921. Oxford University Press (OUP), https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/11/e921/5912603.

[31] Horowitz, Daniel. “Horowitz: Bombshell NYT Report Says MOST Coronavirus Positives Are For Non-Contagious, Insignificant Amounts Of Virus”. Theblaze, 2020, https://www.theblaze.com/conservative-review/horowitz-bombshell-nyt-report-says-coronavirus-positives-non-contagious-insignificant-amounts-virus.

[32] “The Trouble With PCR Tests”. Swiss Policy Research, 2020, https://swprs.org/the-trouble-with-pcr-tests/

[33] Trabert, Dave. “CDC: Maximum 28 CT For Post-Vaccine COVID PCR Tests – The Sentinel”. The Sentinel, 2021, https://sentinelksmo.org/cdc-maximum-28-ct-for-post-vaccine-covid-pcr-tests/.; “COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough case investigation Information for public health, clinical, and reference laboratories”. Fossaorg.Files.Wordpress.Com, 2021, https://fossaorg.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/information-for-laboratories-covid-vaccine-breakthrough-case-investigation.pdf

[34] ACHS staff. “What Are COVID-19’S Infectivity And Viral Load?”. American Council On Science And Health, 2020, https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/04/16/what-are-covid-19s-infectivity-and-viral-load-14723.

[35] Hoft, Joe. “CDC Quietly Publishes The REAL Covid-19 Death Toll: Only 9,210 Americans Died FROM Covid-19 – The Rest Had Other Serious Illnesses — Sott.Net”. Sott.Net, 2021, https://www.sott.net/article/440603-CDC-quietly-publishes-the-REAL-Covid-19-death-toll-Only-9210-Americans-died-FROM-Covid-19-The-rest-had-other-serious-illnesseses

 

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